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foreign [Music] everything there is to learn we have to think about what would be our approach to designing a mark and basically its a simple question between a logo type which means simply the word written in a memorable form or a symbol plus word Mark the name with a pictorial mark an icon we call that a symbol thats a big decision and what we say is that we should always default to no symbol unless theres a reason for a symbol and the explanation for that is simple a symbol has to be learned so people have to learn what you do people have to learn your name and then if you also have a symbol people have to learn that symbol that takes time that takes resources to make a symbol known and people are lazy they dont want to learn anything that they dont have to learn so they would want to learn as little as possible and theres actually a resistance to learning something new so we should try to keep it only to the name unless theres a good reason so a good example for a logo type