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thank you David I didnt answer that is the black and white you know the core photography question because its just one option right we have lots of options uh but but you know I teach a lot of photo history and black and white um was the roots of Photography and in the days of film of course we had to make that choice if we wanted black and white or color and for those of us who shot a lot of black and white um we had to train our eye to walk through the world and see the world in black and white excuse me where I think now because we capture in color in digital uh we often you know see the world in color capture in color and then turn it to black and white and just see what it looks like then perhaps you know what Im saying in the software we turn it to black and white and go oh okay and now Ill work it but I think theres a true advantage to being able to visualize what the image is going to look like ahead of time because Im sure youve all been there where you convert it to bl