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so i have a fresh new illustrator document open and weamp;#39;re ready to play around with logo balance but also work out what typography weamp;#39;re going to use but first one thing that kind of helps me out is start to incorporate grids and to help them you find this balance so iamp;#39;m just going to do my shortcut iamp;#39;m going to be doing this a lot iamp;#39;m going to be doing my command and quote and go ahead and do my shortcut and what i like to do is i like to kind of use these boxes to kind of line this up so thereamp;#39;s some kind of order here and i noticed i donamp;#39;t feel like you had has to stretch all the way perfectly around the box not every logo mark is going to do that but at least it gives you kind of a point where you have a bottom and a top kind of a line and you have this little bit of extra on the end and itamp;#39;s a very similar space here so just itamp;#39;s going to be for overall layout of the logo so iamp;#39;m going to go ahe