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okay um yeah my name is uh Abdullah as you know um so Iamp;#39;ll be moderating this panel so weamp;#39;ve been discussing a lot since like the whole batch working group the idea of coming with a bachelor is that because you always thought that kubernetes was mostly optimized for service type workloads weamp;#39;ve been a lot of optimizations related to um you know services like you know um topology-based routing rolling updates and all these kind of things weamp;#39;re focused on microservices and now as weamp;#39;ve seen recently now that like kubernetes become pretty much a de facto orchestrator for containers and proved to be quite nice to run service type workloads the community is trying to convert other types of workloads on that same platform but because weamp;#39;re having focused as a community on running batch workloads on kubernetes there are a lot of gaps that we know that um and so we thought like okay maybe we should discuss this and have a look we we have these di