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hello everyone and welcome back to another isaka podcast my name is Lisa Cook and Iamp;#39;m the governance risk and compliance principal uh for the job practice here at isaka I want to welcome James Wang who was with us from Cisco James would you introduce yourself to everyone hey guys thanks for having me um Iamp;#39;m James Iamp;#39;m part of the global global Cloud compliance team here at Cisco um Iamp;#39;ve been here for about two and a half years um prior to that I was at ey for about four to five years as well sounds good thanks so much for joining us uh James you wrote a very compelling article and you spoke about the cloud controls framework so weamp;#39;re going to dig in and chat a little bit about that um but before we do I want to just talk more broadly about why is security and compliance so difficult in todayamp;#39;s world yeah absolutely so I think security maybe five to 10 years ago was a nice to have um as we go towards the cloud and a lot of our SAS s