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foreign matters we are here at open Mainframe Summit in Philadelphia and today we have two guests Alex Kim open source incubator Advocate at IBM and also lead of zebra and Len santalucia CTO at ycom infinity and chair of the open maintenance project governing board then Alex is great to have you both on the show great great to meet you thank you and todays topic is zebra so first of all tell us a bit about you know the project because you are you know the the lead right sure thank you um the zebra stand for Zoe embedded browser for RMF and apis so it is an open source project an incubation project under Zoe by openmate print project and we are helping customers users to use Mainframe data in any format that come up from Json format data so that they can plug into any open source other open source projects what will the pain point that you saw which led to the creation of our project in Mainframe space theres a data called RMF and also SMF its a system data that traditionally helps