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well hi this is Rich wb5yb said I just want to show you how I got my antenna up over the tree now before I used to use a oh I guess you might say a Bean flip and I wasnt really accurate so what I thought Id try is find a cheap bow and arrow and so I did I found this little cheap bow and arrow here and what I did is I got this Im not trying not to get a reflection over here got this uh 14 pound test uh just fishing line I dont know if you can see it or not but its fishing line and what I did is I took the arrow about I guess you can see right in here I taped just regular like packing you know I would let you take boxes with I made several Rounds Around the an arrow put the tape around it and sealed it real good because I figure if its just straight it might just pull out anyway and it didnt pull out I cut it off but it worked great once it was over the tree then I got the some of this what they call nylon tar string and what I do is after I cut it I