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typically with odm a customer will want to set up a rules-based system of some kind and they probably already have a system it may be cobol so it could be a really old system they dont have a web interface for this new system they want to run using rules or it could be that they do have a system thats up and running and maybe its running in Java in which case theres probably an ear file so its a web application where theyre inside that ear file you would see probably multiple or just a single war file now you can see kind of how this works if you look at the chapter 11 exploring the ear file from this book here which is weve seen before notice this diagram here so that your file can contain these modules which contain those war files in any case when you are use it when youre in one of these scenarios usually in either of these scenarios here we need to create of course the zom-- but really the only way to get an idea of what your zom looks like is too in most cases dig out lo