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and we just wrapped up our afternoon mid afternoon session with Donald Miller and Seth Godin and if youve been hanging around anything weve been doing an entree leadership for a while you know that we love Donnell Miller this is his new book there it is building a story brand and Donald you did a great talk for us and you dont have time to unpack all of it but one of the things you have done so generously I believe but I think its absolutely a wonderful analogy as you explain to people how to build a story brand this idea of you as the company your brand is not the hero youre the guide and you have said that Dave Ramsey and Ramsey solutions has done that very very well how is that well first I want to say its its been intuitive that if you naturally think and narrative this little easier for you and if you look at how Ramsey solutions and I actually asked you to ask me this questions just in the oddest cuz I didnt want I dont want these guys behind the scenes right theyre se