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hello everybody my name is caroline gita edwards im a director at Fortuner Admissions and im here with my colleague today jessica chong who was MBA associate director admissions at UCLA Anderson and is now an expert coach at Fortuna so Jessica we wanted to talk today about recommendations and you know its a big part its a very important part of the MBA application process so what are your thoughts and whats the advice that you give to new clients about how to pick the recommenders yeah its a great question Caroline so with letters of recommendation I think number one you really need to think about who truly knows you best and knows your work knows your your achievements and compliments and your potential to do well in Business School and as a future business leader so sometimes people get hung up by titles you know they might think oh well I could get a see a recommendation from our CEO not that I work with him very closely but he knows my name and he knows he knows I exist and