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so traditionally for water based I actually like a thinner deposit thats for a couple reasons water basis a lot tackier than most of pasta sauce so thats whats going to happen youre going to have your edges start to dry up on you and youll actually lose detail quicker with a thicker stencil now with the thinner stencil again that may seem counterintuitive but whats happening is youre clearing your ink from the mesh a lot better with theres tons you know I tend to use I was using a unique coat Ive used everything again from hand coding to you know the two up to a two-up two-down kind of thing for water base I tend to do a one in one and I always use the sharp side okay so when I cope I use a lot of pressure not too much thats going to pull over the screen out but I use enough pressure more than I would for plastisol so you know traditional coding you can have even pressure across and again Im trying to coat it fast but consistent Im not going to be as slow as plastic salt an