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[Music] welcome thank you for being here thrilled to have you joining us today either for this live episode with jessica gruber or you could be tuning in and listening to one of our recordings so jessica is here with us from buzz works creation and shes going to get nerdy about building donor relationships via your website so before we dive into this deep conversation with jessica julie and i want to make sure that you know who we are if youre looking at us or listening to us julia patrick is the ceo of the american non-profit academy im jaret ransom your non-profit nerd ceo of the raven group i want to be the non-profit nerd and i want you to be julia patrick because the non-profit nerds cool art i dont know about that i dont know about that i mean we both do have really cool glasses which you know mine are the nerdy ones but we can certainly put tape tape on yours julia i need i gotta do that i did that once for like a lot of tape to cover all of her glasses i know this is true