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[Music] welcome everyone to these 43rd hands on agile meetup and today it's my great pleasure to welcome jeff godhealth to the meetup and i'm really looking forward to that jeff is very well known author and speaker and you probably know him from co-authoring the lean ux book and sentence respond and his recent book forever employable so jeff would you like to take over the stage is yours sure thank you hey folks thanks stefan um it's a it's a pleasure to be here nice to see everybody thanks for joining stefan mentzen the topic today is outcome-based product planning which is a really interesting topic because it's a difficult topic it is something that keeps organizations from managing the outcomes because managing output's a lot easier and we're going to talk about why that is in just a second okay so that's the focus of the conversation today how to plan work when you're managing to outcomes and we'll talk a little bit about output versus outcome we're going to talk a little bit ab...
