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in the 70s youamp;#39;ve created the tech typesetting system together with meta font language for font description and computer modern family of typefaces that has basically defined the methodology in the aesthetic of the countless research fields right math physics well beyond design and so on okay well first of all thank you I had I think I speak for a lot of people in saying that but question in terms of beauty thereamp;#39;s a beauty to typography that youamp;#39;ve created and yet beauty is hard to quantify right how does one create beautiful letters and beautiful equations like what what what so I mean perhaps thereamp;#39;s no words to be describing you know be described in the process but so the great Harvard mathematician Georg deeper cut wrote a book in the 30s called the aesthetic measure where he where he would have pictures of bases and underneath would be a number and this was how beautiful the base was and he had a formula for this and and he actually also right over