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Brian use the terms stub in italic interchangeably I noticed that with the new vanishing point stub which in your video you terms stub but when you try to order on the site its a 1.1 its Halleck I have a correction to what you said in your question there Joshua its actually 1.0 millimeter italic is what we say on the site several sites make a distinction like bender and Matsuyama between stubborn italic what gives okay so they are actually technically separate terms if you look at the video that I have fountain-pen 101 nib sizes and grinds I talked about the difference between a crisp italic a cursive italic which is a little more rounded edges and then I stub which is even more rounded than a cursive italic now there is definitely some subjectivity as to what constitutes a stub verses cursive italic and all that crisp italic is pretty pretty well-defined as to what it is but theres really no pen manufacturer that makes a crisp italic its pretty much of a specialty grind and the