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hey guys welcome back to the micro youtube channel as you may or may not know ive been a big supporter of um hid so hps and ceramic metal halide over the years and i always thought that theres a place a time and a place for uh hps and that you know for example if youre in a cold climate and you need um additional heat into your grow room or if youre not growing for long periods of time continually or indeed if youre just cash strapped and dont have the money to uh to fork out on on the higher and higher efficiency leds and hid is a great solution and still has its place starting now though to wonder about about that position really um you know notwithstanding that im sure im going to get the comments that you know commercial growers are still using hps yes thats true again theyve got lower electricity and power costs generally and theyre more concerned about capital upfront costs and probably have less of a concern about their plant stretching given the facilities that they