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yeah trying to think of a good example of a trade where Iamp;#39;ve lost a ton of money um well I donamp;#39;t know I probably donamp;#39;t want to go into specifics too much with that generalized some sort of an example of kind of why what without necessarily saying it was this proced decision right right uh yeah I think thereamp;#39;s definitely been uh examples where say we you know lost some money because we decided to put on some large discretionary position and you know we thought it was a good bet but it went the wrong way and thatamp;#39;s kind of like a thing that can happen a lot and you have to say like well you know maybe you reevaluate and say like oh maybe this wasnamp;#39;t a good idea after all or maybe youamp;#39;re like well it was probably good in EV but it didnamp;#39;t work out and thatamp;#39;s uh the you know EV is more important than the realized p l there yeah