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[Music] well one of the most asked about themes in the inbox is gods hardening of the sinners heart its an incredible theme throughout romans and no chapter of scripture has inspired more apj questions than romans 9 has we now have over 400 emails on this chapter alone loads of questions including this really good one from a listener named nate hello pastor john i was recently reading romans 1 verses 24 to 27 and paul seems to be saying that god gave over these sinners to dishonorable passions as a consequence of their sin but then when i got to romans 9 verses 1 to 29 paul seems to indicate that god himself hardens sinners in unbelief god hardens whom he wills thats chapter 9 verse 18. so in the case of romans 1 did god first harden these sinners before he gave them up to dishonorable passions which came first did the sinners harden their own hearts or did god harden their hearts in thinking back to the old testament god first promised to harden pharaohs heart its exodus 4 21 an