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[Music] thank you on todays show we have Carl Palmer senior photography commissioner at Channel 4 Khan kindly talks us through what his role entails and we talk about shooting for TV the problems we have to solve and how to get in front of the right people its a great episode and thanks to calf coming on so grab a coffee get comfortable and enjoy hit record oh Im not meant to say it am I go were ready to record Ive forgotten how radio works over excited the invisible countdown they do on TV shows lost on the listeners setup sorry how are you man how are you Im tired yeah were both tired arent we yeah no its its been an exhausting in exhausting day its been an exhausting week actually which is which is good Ive had a very productive week I know were recording this on a Wednesday and um I feel like Ive genuinely managed to absolutely smash my to-do list out of the um at the park which is the verbal Park good yeah you ever have days where that like that when you go no yeah