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okay what if youamp;#39;re trying to get some kind of index number so you want an incremental count or something going up and normally outside of a tub you might do something like you know put one in your first row and then just sort of have it you know each formula says equals the one above plus one for example it could be plus two and that goes you know all the way down so youamp;#39;ve got a nice sequential count what if you put new data on that and effectively nothing happens and you have to then drag that formula down so how can you get around that and stop having to drag the formula down so Iamp;#39;ll just get rid of that new data again because Iamp;#39;ve actually got three different ways that you can do this uh the first two are sort of a kind of personal preference kind of thing but the next one the third one has got a lot more flexibility and you could do a lot more than just a straight incremental count and index so let me just show you the first one then so the first o