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hey everybody this is attorney Kenneth Stevens from the law firm Stevens PLLC and today Im hoping to clear up some confusion regarding lien deadlines notice deadlines and when the clock actually starts to run for the deadline for falling here lien affidavits now with regard to notice obviously general contractors you dont have to sit notice you can just file your lien with regard to the deadlines to fall liens on commercial projects anyway that that lien has to be followed by the 15th day of the fourth calendar month that seems to be pretty well understood most of you that call me coming to my office kind of have that ideal in mind and youre normally coming in trying to beat that deadline where things start to get a little dicey is one with subcontractors and Ill just give you an example subcontractors you cant come to my office in May and want me to file a lien for work that was completed in January if I ask you hey did you send notice and you say no I didnt send anybody notice