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welcome to the revenue marketing report powered by caliber mind Im your host Kamala Thompson and today were speaking with Terry Eisner Terry tell us a little bit about yourself hi everybody um I am the CEO and owner of Jaffe PR and we are a PR full service PR agency that Services the legal Community lawyers and law firms and weve been doing that for a little over 40 years now were a virtual based agency and we were um pretty much one of the first agencies to be virtual so when something like covid came along and everybody was baking bread and doing tick tocks and watching Netflix we were still working every day so we were teaching others how to work remotely so uh its a great agency and uh it I think it does a great deal for the legal community and bringing them up to speed with the the needs of of the marketing Community especially because they work so much with everybody else in the world yes yeah yeah marketers have a very broad job description these days uh so when we first me