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through this real quickly on this part Im using silhouettes to do what I do is I bring my image in and if we try to get a shape around this right now its gonna just be a box because this is a penal file so if we do that thats gonna suck we want more of a shape we wanted to follow it what I like to do someone may know an easier way to do this but I go up to the trace panel I select more lady I usually actually duplicated I forgot both steps sorry so duplicate it so that you have two of these in here and Ill show you why so obviously we dont need to trace this this isnt what were doing we love Debbies image exactly as it is but what were gonna do is were gonna do a trace and attach you may need to bring the threshold up just a little bit sometimes to get some of those finer details in there some files are gonna be too detailed to do this and you may just have to give it up and go for an easier shape example right there that other one it has a really sketchy font on it and so i