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[Music] hi forge followers john carlo here with forge recruitment today i want to talk to you about references not not who to provide when youre providing a reference but what they indicate and what it could potentially mean so yes when youre going through an interview process if youve done your first and second interview and then youre asked to provide references yes thats a really positive sign but does that mean youre definitely going to be receiving an offer at the end of it no so what i wanted to talk about today is just because youre asked to provide references doesnt necessarily mean youre guaranteed to receive an offer i know a number of situations where companies have they they have two candidates that theyre very very interested in and its really tough for them to make a decision and theyve asked both cancer provide references they take the references and then ultimately they use the references um to decide who theyre going to go with also sometimes i have compa