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thanks dan uh so we are going to talk about service authentication and specifically um how to choose whether or not youre going to use s or certificates in your authentication real quick who am i like dan said im the cto of tremolo security um got 20 years of identity management experience uh big you know fortune 100 companies governments um you know various vendors over the years ive been working with kubernetes since 2016 wrote a lot of documentation around open id connect worked on implementing authentication the dashboard and in most recently in kiali and co-author of kubernetes and docker and enterprise guide so enough about me uh so when were talking about whether or not were going to use s or certificates inside or to authenticate your services start by asking yourself a few questions you know first off does your service use end user data some services are service to service some services are used by end user applications and a lot of that will dictate uh the easiest way to