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[Music] hi Im John burn with poetic wands welcome to another edition of the MBA adventure making it happen with Fortuna Admissions I have with me Caroline DRP Edwards co-founder of Fortuna and a former director of admissions at NC odd were going to talk about a really interesting topic the four things you need to know to get a killer recommendation letter from a recommender what are they write so well the first point is to start the process right Im talking about you know at least two or three months ahead of the deadline if not even earlier and you know I cant tell you the number of times when I was in Siena in the admissions office when you know candidates would call in panic two days before the deadline and theyve just realized that their recommended is away on vacation and theres no way that the recommendation is coming in by the devil its way too common and so you know planned out ahead because you dont want to torpedo your entire application because of poor planning and