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delivering a great summer camp program is Paramount to the success of our camps but what often gets overlooked is the importance of public relations how we are perceived by the outside world by the other folks who dont attend our camps and drink our Kool-Aid who dont really understand what it is that we do because those folks determine our reputation and ability to succeed often just as much if not more than our Die Hard Camp communities so how do we get that word out helping us today is Michael Sachs a successful PR guy and Camp parent who will bridge the gap for us this is the day camp pod [Music] welcome back everybody to daycam podcast Im Andy pritikin director of Liberty Lake in the Philly suburbs of New Jersey Im Sam Thompson from Crystal Lake Park District Crystal Lake Illinois and we are joined today by my friend Michael spax a guy with sometimes more energy than me that is right ladies and gentlemen so Michael tell us how how is it that uh that you ended up here on the day