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do you think that you have been able to pull this thing off without your mathematics degree or it has been the pillar of your trading activity I absolutely could pull it off without my math degree I use very little math um use a lot of like uh Elementary School math like arithmetic probability uh but not really any of the advanced stuff I learned in college uh yeah we donamp;#39;t really do any uh technical analysis except is it uh you know relates to thinking about how other participants in the market may be doing technical analysis and how that will affect their behavior um but yeah mostly we think of ourselves as a liquidity provider so we just whatever people want to trade we want to like be there to help them trade and get better prices yeah yeah we do uh some discretionary trading as well and we do trading where uh we canamp;#39;t always hedge our exposure