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whats up everybody in case you dont know who our next guest is you would definitely know who he is after this episode Saki Aviv is a partner at sure my f guys Marin Aviv and has done some of the most iconic logos on planet Earth logos like PBS chase mobile Showtime and Nat Geo just to name a few on this episode sake aviv has given us the most definitive answer as to what makes for a good and consequently a bad logo and the answer surprised all of us so you people think a love we should say a whole lot about us all of us should be pretty or lovers should you know we should love our logo or actually all these are not not true at all a good logo really theres three things that it needs to be needs to be appropriate distinctive and memorable and then it needs to be simple super super simple by appropriate that doesnt mean expressive she didnt try to say a whole lot it should just be appropriate in the feeling so its like a personality thing its a core idea and the feeling of it so i