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now playing devils advocate im talking with you ive already talked with amy ive followed her on instagram and im engaging with all her stuff and i see her engagement is doing well because shes a really great graphic designer yeah and so now im coming to you and she quoted me 1500 right and now im coming to you and youre saying eighteen thousand dollars im trying to see how she would be a a riskier that much of a riskier person to go to pay eighteen thousand dollars with you okay um im gonna ask you a few questions is the logo important to your business uh yeah okay it means something so if its right you can move on with your business if its wrong you have to redo this process again is that right correct so i understand theres some risk associated with picking the wrong vendor what criteria would you use to determine if its a good vendor for you or not um i guess proof proof so whats proof to you case studies case studies does amy have more case studies than us uh no oka