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so once you have your down plate cut you need to crimp it with a set of crimpers if you donamp;#39;t have crimpers than doing any basic down pipe work can be really challenging because what you need to do is create a small end so thatamp;#39;ll actually fit so at the end of this down pipe will fit into the side into the elbow if you donamp;#39;t have crimpers and you really got to squeeze and distort the pipe more than desired in order to get the it to fit into that so crimpers are a must they can pick those up at like Home Depot pretty sure has a crimpers thatamp;#39;ll do the trick for that