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hey mike how do you typically present a landscape project to your client what does that process look like we are looking at investing in uh vis vistera landscape design software to better sell installation services through a much more visual method any recommendations okay so im not going to talk about too much about landscape design software because we have not used it a lot at augusta lawn care we are much more focused on creating a scalable model and something that scales is something thats simple that i can get lower level of laborers to join and get profitable and make more money on p4p quicker and i have to spend five years teaching them on excavators and skid steers and track loaders and how to do certain types of trees and a whole bunch of other chaos so um we dont really use landscape design software that being said if you really love hardscaping this is probably a great way to sell jobs i would recommend making sure that the customer pays for the design if they want the 3d