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okay so this session is being recorded now so letamp;#39;s letamp;#39;s go back to where where we started weamp;#39;re talking about can we um identify why the market turned here correct why what what were the signals that the market turned was going to turn here and beyond that whatamp;#39;s the confirmation here to get long for at least the move to the vwap and even be on correct so as I was saying a moment ago when I started I was saying that the market up until that point was riding the 8 EMA downward right you see that this is your open somewhere in here volume starts and thereamp;#39;s a little bit of a peak here above the vwap and then once it falls below the vwap notice that it never goes back above vop except for this one little Shadow but pretty much itamp;#39;s a short all morning long at all different points like rally to the vwap rally to the eight stay under the eight little bit of a out here but stays under the eight right here retraces the up move thatamp