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thank you I was asked to give a title to my talk and I said untypical types I meant by that a few typefaces which is sort of out of the run-of-the-mill of most of the work that I do because of how they came about or how theyamp;#39;re used or something about them thatamp;#39;s a little bit unusual that I can talk about I mean a lot of my work there isnamp;#39;t really much to say about it but these particular projects do have a bit of a backstory to them and so on this is the first one and this came about through a most serendipitous encounter I was back in London on a visit walking down Piccadilly walked into the Royal Academy to get out of the rain I think and found myself an astonishing exhibition of the work of the Italian Renaissance artist and romantic and what gobsmacked me about this exhibition was the lettering in Mantegnaamp;#39;s paintings and engravings which I thought was simply beautiful it was of course revived lettering with his revisited lettering of Imperial Rome